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Oct 27, 2023#171

I think the female contributors on Facebook groups who mention they were slippered or caned without going into great details are more than likely genuine.
The fantasists stand out easily, they go into great detail about tight short skirts, the hem being so many inches above the knee, colour of underwear etc, and then say how it was 30 / 40 years ago, good memory for details then !!!! , geeez I can’t even remember what I did yesterday let alone someone’s underwear from 40 years ago.
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Oct 27, 2023#172

Hello Georgiec

You wrote:

“‘OH boy! I was apparently a little horror! I was always getting the cane. Mostly from Miss Taylor the “gin” queen and miss Evans the head mistress who actually gave me it on my arse when I was 14. Pity it wasn’t here in America I could have sued for that and been rich!’”

I misread that initially as I missed the quotation marks and thought you were describing yourself.
Silly me.

Oct 27, 2023#173

I find this version strange. Posting on a History group adds credence to the story but the language used on the account about knickers down sounds like she has elaborated on a caning she received. I have concluded that the caning certainly happened but was probably over her knickers. I do not know of any headmistress who would cane on the bare bum unless it was in a fee paying school or a boarding school.
I got slippered on the bare (wet) bottom by the PE Master once but that was because we had just showered. The teacher never removed our clothes normally.

Nov 01, 2023#174

Part 2 of some Merseyside accounts:

Eastway (Secondary) – Eastway

Angela – b1958 – Cane across bottom by female teacher – 1969 to 1974
Elaine – b1959 – Cane across unspecified anatomy by female teacher – 1970 to 1975
Lynda – b1963 – Hand across bottom by male teacher (over the knee) – 1974 to 1979

Ellergreen (Secondary) – Liverpool

Karina – b1956 – Cane across unspecified anatomy by female teacher – 1967 to 1973
Brenda – b1957 – Hand across legs by female teacher – 1968 to 1972
Pam – b1957 – Hand across legs by female teacher – 1969 to 1973
Jeannie – b1959 – Cane across unspecified anatomy by female teacher – 1970 to 1975
Jean – b1960 – Cane across unspecified anatomy by female teacher – 1971 to 1976
Karen – b1963 – Cane across unspecified anatomy by unnamed teacher – 1974 to 1979
Paula – b1966 – Cane across hands by female teacher – 1977 to 1982
Sharron – b1969 – Cane across hands by female teacher – 1980 to 1985

Farnborough Road (Juniors) – Southport

Michelle- b1962 – Slipper across unspecified anatomy by male teacher – 1969 to 1973
Julie – b1968 – Bat across unspecified anatomy by female teacher – 1974 to 1979
Mary – b1970 – Bat across unspecified anatomy female teacher – 1977 to 1971

Fazakerley (Secondary) – Liverpool

Helen – b1956 – Cane across unspecified anatomy by female teacher – 1967 to 1971
Sue – b1958 – Cane across unspecified anatomy by female teacher – 1969 to 1974
Jean – b1964 – Cane across unspecified anatomy by female teacher – 1976 to 1980

Gateacre (Secondary) – Gateacre

Hilary – b1948 – Cane across unspecified anatomy by female teacher – 1959 to 1963
Juanita – b1948 – Cane across unspecified anatomy by female teacher – 1959 to 1963
Jacqueline – b1962 – Cane across hand by male teacher – 1973 to 1978

Goresdale (Middle) – Wallasey

Jean – b1960 – Hand across legs by female teacher – 1970 to 1973
Pauline – b1961 – Cane across unspecified anatomy by male teacher & slipper across unspecified anatomy by female teacher – 1972 to 1974
Jade – b1962 – Slipper across unspecified anatomy by unnamed teacher – 1972 to 1975
Wendy – b1962 – Slipper across unspecified anatomy by female teacher – 1972 to 1975
Shirley – b1963 – – Hand across bottom by male teacher (over the knee) – 1973 to 1976
Caron – b1966 – Hand across bottom by male teacher (over the knee) – 1976 to 1979
Donna – b1966 – Hand across bottom by male teacher (over the knee) – 1976 to 1979
Karen – b1967 – Cane & slipper across unspecified anatomy by unnamed teachers – 1977 to 1980
Pam – b1967 – Cane across bottom & hand by male teachers – 1977 to 1980
Corrie – b1970 – Slipper across bottom by unnamed teacher – 1980 to 1983
Tracey – b1970 – Slipper across bottom by unnamed teacher – 1980 to 1983
Joanne – b1970 – Slipper across bottom by unnamed teacher – 1980 to 1983

Grange Park (Secondary) – St Helens

Valerie – b1940 – Cane across hand by male teacher – 1951 to 1955
Marina – b1958 – Cane across hand across legs by unnamed teacher – 1969 to 1974
Dorothy – b1960 – Hand across legs by female teacher – 1971 to 1976
Jackie – b1963 – Cane across unspecified anatomy & hand across legs by female teachers – 1974 to 1980
Sharon – b1963 – Spoon across unspecified anatomy by female teacher – 1974 to 1979
Lesley – b1966 – Cane across unspecified anatomy & hand across legs by female teachers – 1977 to 1982
Debs – b1966 – Cane across unspecified anatomy by female teacher – 1977 to 1982
Tracey – b1966 – Hand across leg by female teacher – 1977 to 1982
Mandy – b1966 – Cane across unspecified anatomy by female teacher – 1977 to 1982
Catherine – b1966 – Cane across unspecified anatomy by unnamed teacher – 1977 to 1982
Denise – b1967 – Cane across unspecified anatomy by female teacher – 1978 to 1983
Andrea – b1968 – Cane across hand by female teacher – 1980
Sarah – b1971 – Cane across hand by female teacher – 1982 to 1986
Yvonne – b1973 – Cane across unspecified anatomy by female teacher – 1984 to 1987
Pauline – b1975 – Hand across legs by female teacher – 1986

As always, I’ll provide further details (if they were provided) upon request

Sir John 2

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Nov 01, 2023#175

Thank you I Researher Great Stuff

Interesting to note that Goresdale seems to have primarily adopted the bottom as the area of chastisement for young ladies  in contrast  to   hand caning believed to be prevalent in most schools at this time.. Is there any indication of their ages at the time punishment was inflicted.. One assumes they were quite junior when subject to an OTK spanking

Eastway also appears to have no issues wit chastising bottys ..And more OTK   which is not that usual in senior schools.

Nov 01, 2023#176

Hello Sir John 2,

So far I have only found 3 cases of SCP being administered to female pupils at Eastway Secondary.  However, 2 of them clearly state they were punished on the bottom.  Firstly Angela recalls:

‘I got the cane on the bum by Mrs Girvan for forging a note to get out of PE. I didn’t know they had phoned Mum for permission first and when I got home I got a whack across the face for getting in trouble’

Whether or not her Mum had specifically requested that Angela be punished on her bottom or if this was Eastway or Mrs Girvan/Garvin’s Modus Operandi I have not yet ascertained.  The other account of Mrs Girvan/Garvin applying the cane was mentioned by Elaine on 2 separate occasions.  The first being:

‘Does anyone remember “think it was ms Irvine?” Massive women who did cookery? She gave me the cane twice !’
Another former pupil then gave her the name of Garvin, and she reiterated:

‘ah yes thought her name was Irvine! She bloody caned me twice! She did look like she was from the army’.

Regarding the alleged over-the-knee spanking.  Lynda recalls:

‘Mr Riley (science) put me over his knee and slapped my arse!!  (I was apparently disrupting the class by talking to my mate). Can you imagine the scenes now!!’

Interestingly, although compared to other forms of SCP over the knee spankings at secondary schools appear to be very rare (I think I have come across 4 cases).  These have all have been towards the tail end of the SCP era in either 70s or 80s.  I would have thought that this form of punishment would have been more common in the 1950s and 1960s.  Of course, it could just be that ladies who were in secondary education during this period and received such punishment are less likely to speak up.

In reference to the over-the-knee spankings at Goresdale Middle I have not been able to ascertain their ages so it could have been anywhere between 9 and 12.

Here is Shirley’s account:

Four of my friends and I got bent over the headmasters knee and got spanked in front of two Pakistani ladies for standing outside their house making banshee screams’

This was supported by Tracy who added:

‘yes, by the dirty old pervert headmaster Walsh’

On reflection, if this is accurate then it is very interesting.  I think the only other account I’ve read of any pupil receiving SCP in front of a member of public was in Roald Dahl’s autobiography which would have been around 50 years earlier.  Perhaps ‘receiving SCP in front of a member of the public’ deserves a thread of its own.

lansallos

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Nov 03, 2023#177

Another great piece of work I, Researcher. Amazed at the OTK punishments by male teacher(s) in the 70’s. Presume they would have had to raise the girls skirt to do it. How did they get away with that in that era.

Nov 03, 2023#178

Hello lansallos,

With regard to male teachers carrying out dubious, controversial and possibly pruriently motivated corporal punishments on female students as late as the 1970s you asked above:

How did they get away with that in that era?

Had it not been for an altercation with a headmaster over a beard I might well have been a teacher in the 1970s and I can think of at least three ways this might be accomplished with relative safety and freedom from suspicion of unprofessional behaviour.  Not that I would have indulged in it of course!

  1. Be a very long-standing and senior teacher regarded alike by school senior management and by parents as highly competent and as being motivated by nothing but the absolute best of motives for successful pupil outcomes.  Hard work to attain and maintain an easily lost reputation and would probably only permit a few examples of deviant SCP.
  2. Be what I call a ‘bread and circuses’ teacher.  One who, like the Roman Emperors, used goodies and entertainments such as punishments to keep the Roman mob sorry, the other pupils amused and suitably well behaved and compliant with at least a modicum of imparted learning.  In this case you could get away with it quite often, but it was essential not too punish too hard and to devise equally embarrassing punishments for both males and females in mixed classes.
  3. Use psychology and acute observation, together with carefully developed and modulated interpersonal techniques to select and engage with your target.  Very much the techniques as practised by fraudsters throughout the ages and latterly by computer hackers to gain useful non-digital information.  Using this technique required selecting a pupil who wasn’t too shy or too belligerent, whose parents or guardians had been assessed at parent/teacher meetings as appreciative of a teacher’s disciplinary role and not unduly likely to make trouble, and most of all a pupil who had with reasonable certainty committed an infraction they’d probably rather not discuss with their parents.  If using this technique to target girls for pruriently motivated punishments in a mixed school it was probably best to be known as someone who whacked at least a few boys too.

Hope that helps!  

lansallos

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Nov 04, 2023#179

Thanks for your thoughts, A_L. I was comparing the OTK examples in I, Researcher’s latest accounts with the well known incident at Helston. I can see however that incident fails in more than one of your criteria. If I remember correctly it was the severity of the punishment that led to the headmaster’s downfall so perhaps you are correct that it could happen with impunity even in that late era.
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Nov 07, 2023#180

A_L, your No 1 suggestion brought back to my mind just such a teacher. Very well regarded by pupils, parents and staff alike. When I was quite old (17?) I passed this teacher in the corridor where he had corralled a group of first year female pupils. I guess they had been misbehaving in the corridor between classes. As I passed I heard him say “I will have no trouble in putting each of you over my knee if I catch you doing that again.” I sauntered along the corridor then turned back. Unfortunately all had gone by the time I returned!
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